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Post by christ on Nov 8, 2008 15:22:58 GMT -5
In California recently, voters decided yes on proposition 8 defining marriage as between a man and a women. This effectively annulled all same-sex marriages (including that of Ellen Degeneres ) and denied future marriages from taking place.
Should such a proposition be put to the Irish public?
Or is it a right and an equality matter that should be automatic and need no vote?
What do you think?
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Post by grumpygoat on Nov 13, 2008 9:23:08 GMT -5
Its a tough one you see the church have their own definition of marriage but they don't run the country. Gay and lesbian couples have every right to live together, love each other, provide for each other or visit each other in hospital and everything else that married couples can do for each other. Everyone can agree on that. It is calling them married that causes all the fuss because then gay or lesbian couples would be treated under the law the same as straight sex married couples and that wouldn't bother me, but some people (the church etc)do have a problem with that. I think it will just take time for people to become more liberal and change their opinions. It'll be a while yet though.
On the issue of proposition 8 I really feel for all the couples who were just un-married all of a sudden.
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Post by christ on Nov 14, 2008 21:53:24 GMT -5
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Post by grumpygoat on Dec 16, 2008 18:34:35 GMT -5
It's that attitute that people have to change, i.e. the one in that article above. People are very slow to change but if gay and lesbian people just lie down then it's over they have to (but shouldn't need to in my opinion) stand up for themselves and their rights and protest or whatever to keep trying. Eventually the message will get through.
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Post by drawesome on Jan 18, 2010 7:37:36 GMT -5
Whoever you want to marry, it's your own d**n business and others should stick their nose out.
I can't see any negative side to allowing gay marriage, who does it hurt? If two people love each other and are planning on sharing their lives, socially and economically. That fact should be recognized by the government. It's an easy call.
As for the church, they're irrelevant and completely within their rights to deny a marriage in the eyes of their religion. Nobody is asking for churches to be forced to marry gay couples. What they're asking for is equal status in the eyes of government legislation and hopefully society as a whole.
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